Jun 20

LIS Recommended Control Setups, Bindings, and Sensitivity Curves

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Looking for advice on setting up your controls for Star Citizen? The team at LIS is here to help!

 

Star Citizen backers, you asked for it, and here it is – the answers to our two most common questions: “what control setup are you using?” and “what kind of bindings/sensitivity curves do you use?” Ultimately, personal preference reigns supreme. You can make just about any decent hardware work if you are motivated to spend a lot of time customizing and tweaking for your needs, but you can’t make using a mouse more fun if you prefer the feel of a joystick, or vice versa. Simply decide how you want to fly when Star Citizen itself is released, and commit to it.

We’ll break this down by controller options, then talk about sensitivity curves, and, later, since this question is asked so often, we’ll explain Vin’s most peculiar setup.

Jump to Offhand Options
Jump to Foot Options
Jump to Gamepad/TrackIR
Jump to Sensitivity Curve and Deadzone Adjustments
Jump to Vin’s Setup

 

Mainhand

 

  • Mouse

A mouse setup is precise, ubiquitous, and requires the least amount of deskspace, adjustments, and, for the most part, hassle in general. Don’t let people fool you – in relative mode, a good mouse user with the proper configurations can easily fly just as precisely as a joystick pilot.

Obviously, just like with other games, a more expensive mouse with higher DPI settings will perform better. A Roccat Tyon is unique in that it offers a thumbpaddle that can be used as an analogue axis; many users have reported problems with these mice and the thumbpaddle specifically, however.

With the myriad of bindings available, a mouse like the Logitech G600 or the Razer Naga are great options as well.

If you use mouse, be sure to turn off mouse acceleration, both in Windows and in the game. BoredGamer has a great video on how to do that here. In fact, many of his videos will help new players with setting their game and controls in general, and his channel is highly recommended.

  • Joystick

Joysticks feel great, offer excellent ship rotational control, and are beloved by many backers. Be warned that mounting, configuring, and learning to use a joystick will take a copious amount of time at this game’s stage of development. Hopefully some of the tips here will help to reduce that time for some of you.

For a joystick by itself (without a throttle), you actually don’t need to spend much money to get a really precise, effective solution. The T16000M is almost universally recommended as an entry-level joystick by experienced players. It costs just $56, uses the same sensors as the top-of-the-line HOTAS Warthog, and can be configured as left or right handed – meaning that if you get one, decide you like flying with a joystick, and want to try dual stick, you can get another one or even try a more expensive X-55 or Warthog and still have not wasted money buying a cheaper joystick to start out – because it’s still very effective in the left hand.

The biggest mistake that new joystick users make is not mounting their joysticks properly, which is the key to both attaining precise inputs and preventing wrist/hand strain. There are two main options:

  • Center-mounted: Mount the stick so that it sits between your legs and you can rest your elbow on your thigh, allowing your hand to lightly grip the stick with your wrist straight. You should be able to put just your fingertips on your stick and be able to move it around. There are some expensive options for this, or you can make a DIY version like Vin did. This setup may not be as good with pedals, because pedal inputs will mess with your aim since you are resting your elbow on your thigh.
  • Side-mounted: If possible, mount the stick so that it is even with your waist (which is above your belly button). Most people try to mount their sticks on a desk, but a bracket of some kind or a DIY armchair attachment is going to work way better due to the height. If you do mount it on your desk (and you need to mount it securely!), raise your seat height when you are playing. Whatever method you use, your forearm and wrist need to be straight and approximately parallel to the floor. Support your elbow on something stable! Don’t try to move the stick with your whole arm, that’s like trying to write with your whole arm moving – ever done that?

For both options, the joystick needs to be absolutely stationary. This is not negotiable. You cannot make precise inputs if the joystick base moves at all. Also, 90% of your movements should be controlled with just your fingers or hands moving – not your forearms, and definitely not your upper arms.

For the main hand, pitch and yaw is the way to go for the x and y-axis mappings. Many players (Vin included) have tried and failed to make pitch and roll accurate enough to compete in Arena Commander. Trust us, if it were possible, Vin would have found a way to do it. If you plan on using TrackIR with all gimbals, you might be able to get away with it by using the TrackIR for fine-aiming.

It’s generally recommended to only bind non-essential things to the actual joystick – in other words, only bind things that you won’t do while simultaneously aiming to the thing you use to aim. This includes the fire button! Many players report that rebinding the firing button from the traditional trigger to something on their left hand has drastically improved their ability to aim, especially for those using non-spray weapons. The reason is that just pulling a trigger with the high-sensitivity needed to accurately aim will actually cause unwanted motion on the stick. Seriously, try this simple, one-step change if you are having trouble aiming with a joystick.

If you are forced to bind some of these actions to the stick, try to make them toward the base of the stick – there’s less lever-action there so the affect on your aiming will be less.

Offhand

  • Keyboard

A standard keyboard, by itself, has little going for it, other than familiarity and accessibility. A keyboard has no analogue axes, so the only fine-control (for now) is going to be in your positive longitudinal direction via throttle.

Just like with other games, a mechanical keyboard is going to reign supreme because it gives the best tactile feedback for button presses.

You can still achieve the control needed to perform many maneuvers by mixing strafe inputs, especially if you get some pedals for roll. Some rebinds of the basic control layout may be necessary, however.

Try loading this set of bindings in-game:

  1. Put the xml file into your \StarCitizen\CitizenClient\USER\Controls\Mappings folder.
  2. Start the game.
  3. Hit the tilde (~) key. Type “pp_rebindkeys keyboard” and hit enter. It should say that you loaded the xml successfully and to enjoy. If it didn’t, you probably put the xml in the wrong place.
  4. Hit the tilde key again to get rid of the console.
  5. Hit escape, then click options.
  6. In the upper right corner, click keybinding.
  7. In the lower right corner, click “advanced controls customization”.
  8. Find “FLIGHT – MOVEMENT” and click the “+” sign next to it.
  9. Scroll down to “Throttle zero”. Highlight it by clicking the words “Throttle zero”. Press the “Y” key. It should no longer say “double tap” in the field.
  10. Repeat step nine for “Throttle max”
  11. Hit escape to leave the menu.

This xml does the following:

  1. Moves power group toggles from “4”, “5”, and “6” to “6”, “7”, and “8”.
  2. Moves throttle up to “5” and throttle down to “4”.
  3. Maps coupled and decloupled strafe to “w” and “s”.
  4. Changes 0% and 100% throttle hotkeys to single-tap instead of the default double tap.

Here’s a video on how to use these settings.

The other option that is widely used is double-binding strafe_forward and strafe_backward with throttle_up and throttle_down on the “w” and “s” keys, respectively. Either method achieves the same goals (backwards flight possible, more additive strafe options), but the former method is a bit snappier.

  • Joystick

For an offhand stick, most map translation to the analog axes. But which ones where? There are two ways to go about this one.

The first option is lateral and vertical translation on the main x and y axes. This allows you (with throttle) to put the TVI wherever you want. The TVI is the indicator that shows you exactly which direction your ship is going at any given time. So, in other words, with this setup you have maximum control over your direction. This is the best setup for weaving in asteroids or other tight space while fighting. It really makes directing the path of you ship as easy as moving a cursor with a mouse is for aiming.

The second option is lateral strafe on x and longitudinal strafe on y. Vin recently changed to this option. You now have maximum control over your speed at any given time, rather than your direction of flight. With this setup you can still very finely control your direction in a horizontal axis relative to your nose; then you use roll to move your TVI vertically as required. Also, bind vertical strafe to either twist or the left stick on digital (button) inputs for strafe up and strafe down. This setup is better for knife fighting in open space, and for beating your enemy in a turn. It makes your left stick more like a throttle that can go in reverse and can be shifted laterally. With this configuration you want to rarely (if ever) use the in-game throttle, as it will mix with your longitudinal strafe inputs and mess up what you are trying to do. You also won’t ever need comstab as you can manually control your throttle in turns. If you work hard you’ll be able to disable g-safe as well for maximum control. This setup may be better for faster ships that need to slow down a bit more regularly, like the Gladius, Omega, M50 or 350r.

Here are the controls that I recommend binding to available analogue axes, in order of importance (for dual sticks):

  • Pitch
  • Yaw
  • Lateral strafe
  • Roll
  • Longitudinal strafe
  • Vertical strafe
  • Throttle
  • Zoom (this is currently not properly implemented anyway)
  • Look axes

It’s important to bind the stuff requiring the most precision (near the top of the list) to axes you can move more easily and with more precision. This is why pitch is normally controlled by the primary hand on a big axis like a joystick y-axis, rather than on a thumbstick on the non-dominant hand such as the one on the CH Pro Throttle.

Once you’ve figured out how you want to setup dual sticks (if that’s the route you chose), you’ll need to start the long process of tweaking your deadzones, sensitivity adjustments, and in-game settings.

  • Throttle

Throttles feel great and can match a lot of varied playstyles easily. With a throttle, you can slowly work to not need g-safe or COMSTAB, even with faster ships, by learning to either throttle down in turns or strafe outward (as in a lag roll) to maintain velocity as needed.

The CH Pro Throttle is unique in that it has an additional two analog axes that can be used for strafing. While this thumb hat isn’t terribly precise, it certainly beats binary strafe.

The X-55 throttle and the X-52 (not recommended) have rotary knobs. These are nice for some of the LIS maneuvers because you can set in a bit of strafe offset from the nose and leave it there. The X-55 has detents so that you can zero these inputs out; what these knobs lack is the ability to do rapid strafing (to avoid a collision or dodge unexpected fire). To help with this, it’s useful to bind the binary strafe left/right/up/down in addition to the rotary knobs so that rapid inputs can be made if needed.

We recommend binding strafe backwards and throttle zero to the same button, so that you can fly in reverse if needed. You’ll also need to tap this button if you are trying to strafe fully left, right, up, or down – otherwise (in coupled mode), your strafe input will mix with your throttle and you’ll end up going forward as well.

For the main throttle axis, obviously throttle is the most common choice, but some people prefer longitudinal strafe. The downside here is that typically there won’t be a center detent, so it may be difficult to come to a complete stop. /u/skunimatrix has a cheap solution for the CH Pro Throttle.

  • Gameboard

The Logitech G-13 Gameboard offers something that even some HOTASes don’t: an analog thumbstick. That’s right, combined with a mouse, you can have four degrees of analogue freedom without ever touching a joystick or gamepad.

We don’t particularly recommend the other gameboard options (like the n52 series) because they lack the main advantage of analogue inputs. The only exception is the Saitek Cyborg Command Unit, which went out of stock years ago.

 

Feet

  • Traditional Pedals

Why waste your feet? With the dozens of keybindings and control axes available for binding, including six separate degrees of freedom, one throttle axis, and two look axes, you’ll quickly find that two hands are not enough, no matter what peripherals you are using. Pedals are nice because they can make a huge difference in any control scheme – mouse and keyboard, HOTAS, dual joysticks. . . even gamepad! The reason why is that unlike controlling strafing or rolling with a thumb hat or key binding, your feet are completely disconnected from your aiming limbs, which means you can make pedal inputs without throwing off your accuracy.

Also, while our brains seem to do better when our hands work together to complete tasks (great video ChickenGiraffe!), feet are a different matter – the need to be able to run or jump while throwing whatever (spears, rocks, small animals) has given humans a better ability to separate tasks between feet and hands – with practice, of course.

Unfortunately, the pedal market is very limited for the consumer right now. The two most common options are CH Pro Pedals and Saitek Pro Flight Combat Pedals, neither of which are very precise.

Because of this, it’s best to map axes to your pedals that you really want to be analogue, but don’t need an incredible amount of precision. The obvious choices are roll and lateral strafe. Do NOT try to map yaw to pedals; we realize that is the traditional use for “rudder pedals”, but the large, sticky deadzones in the pedals available on the market today combined with the nature of space sims will make aiming with yaw on your pedals a living hell.

People have done very creative things with the toe brakes, which are axes by themselves. Without input they settle at 0, which means mapping an analogue strafe axis to them would be pretty tough as you’d need to be able to push it mid-range against a spring force to fly straight or stop. Some just bind the binary strafe inputs (like strafe backward on left toe brake, strafe forward on right toe brake). Push-to-talk is actually a great thing to put on pedals (if you are planning on being in an org that fights together), as it’s the only way to talk, fly, and accurately aim at the same time. Another great option is zoom, although, the zoom axis is currently really buggy, so you may have to wait on that one.

  • Fragpedals

Vin has had a set of these for years – they provide good, tactile feedback when pressed and are less cumbersome for those who don’t want to play a game with their feet up on pedals all the time.

For bindings, push-to-talk is once again a great option if you fly with a group. Another great option is weapons group firing – yup, you heard us, these are a great place to put your fire button, especially if you don’t use a mouse. The reason is that using the fire button won’t interfere with your aim this way. This can allow for more trigger discipline, less overheats, and the ability for non-mouse users to be effective with weapons like omniskys.

  • Keyboard


Want to use your feet, but don’t have money to buy anything? Take your shoe off, put an old keyboard on the floor, and push the spacebar with your toe. Bind whatever you want and enjoy.

 

 

Gamepad

Nobody here uses these, but /u/Do_What_Thou_Wilt has a great guide on getting the gamepad to work as well as it can at this time.

 

TrackIR

Just like using a joystick to aim, this is going to require a ton of practice and tweaking to be effective, especially in PVP. Additionally, you need a nice computer with a solid frame rate in game (at least 30 FPS) or it’s not going to work out for you.

Take a look at HydroBigBang’s TrackIR profile and guide, and check out his channel. He is the undisputed top TrackIR pilot. There’s also another great guide by Booyakashasta.

As for instruction on how to aim with TrackIR, HBB is working on a guide, and LIS has a guide in the works as well. Stay tuned.

 

 

Sensitivity, deadzones, and custom curves

 

The in-game customization feature for these settings is the first iteration and can be a bit confusing and unwieldy. Because of this, we generally recommend just loading in a custom curve. This may seem non-ideal, but at the very least it will allow you to be able to save and play with consistent curves (which is essential for developing muscle memory), despite inevitable changes to the in-game software. By the way, your settings will usually get erased when patches occur, so it’s smart to have your custom curve (and other bindings that you want to keep) saved in another folder somewhere. Also, at any point you can go into your settings and look at your curve to make sure it’s still the way you intended.

The thought process here is to increase the sensitivity to the maximum that the player and ship combination can handle with a light hand on the stick and small, precise movements. Smaller changes are important due to the nature of the physics simulation – the larger the input change, the more thruster action, which will make aiming with a joystick impossible if it gets big enough. So – aim small, miss small.

Increase sensitivity too high, though, and the player will find it impossible to avoid an overshoot, even with ESP. Too low, and ESP will prevent you from keeping up with your target in a turning battle (ESP is still being tweaked).

If you prefer to use the in-game control options to tweak your curve, go to CONTROL OPTIONS. . . then we recommend setting the FLIGHT MOVEMENT (Edit Curve) slider to about 1.4, then scroll down to the saturation levels. For whatever reason, with these, a lower number is more sensitive. Start with 0.3, then skip to step five below.

If you want to play with a custom curve, here are links to the ones that we recommend trying: Lightcurve – Heavycurve

These curves are mostly linear, but flatten a bit at the bottom. This flattening allows you to remove the deadzone completely – so near the center your stick will be less sensitive (which will prevent drift when no input is being made), but you’ll still be able to make adjustments. Being able to make these fine adjustments near the center of the stick without a deadzone interfering is one of the keys to actually being able to aim with a joystick. Also, both curves have a varying amount of deadzone at full deflection – this can be customized as desired by the player.

Instructions for use:

  1. Put these xml files into your \StarCitizen\CitizenClient\USER\Controls\Mappings folder.
  2. Start the game. Load into a Drone sim → Vanduul Swarm
  3. Hit escape, then go to “control options”, then use the right arrow to find the correct device. If you have multiple joysticks or peripherals, it may take some trial and error to figure out which one is the device you are looking for. You will then need to change the xml file so that it affects the joystick you want it to – if the joystick you want to apply the curve to is “Joystick 2″ in the game settings, on the second line of the xml, it needs to read instance=”2”. Once you find it, scroll down to the bottom to “Deadzone Joystick X Axis”, “Deadzone Joystick YAxis”, etc., and reduce all the deadzones to zero.
  4. Hit the tilde (~) key. Type “pp_rebindkeys lightcurve” and hit enter. It should say that you loaded the xml successfully and to enjoy. If it didn’t, you probably put the xmls in the wrong place.
  5. Hit tilde to get rid of the dropdown console, and hit escape to get back to the drone sim. Take your hands off the controls. If your nose drifts, hit escape, alt-tab, open up your “Devices and Printers” in Windows (should be on your start menu), find the device, right click it and click “game controller settings”. Recalibrate the device, then open your game back up. It should no longer drift. If it does, try reducing the sensitivity setting in the XML (right click the xml, edit, change the sensitivity=”1.0” value), reload the xml into the game, and try again. These adjustment can be made without exiting the match. If that doesn’t work, try upping the deadzones incrementally, 0.01 at a time. If you get to 0.05 and still have drift, after recalibrating, you need a new/better joystick.
  6. From here you need to tweak, and what tweaks need to be made depend on you, your ship, your device, etc. Here are some guidelines, though. . .
  • In general, start with high sensitivity and work it down until it is barely tolerable. High sensitivity results in high precision.
  • If you are bouncing around all over the target, try reducing your sensitivity or changing to lightcurve (if you were using heavy curve).
  • If you are getting “stuck” in a turn with your nose just behind your target (this could be because of ESP), try switching the heavycurve. If you already did that, try increasing the sensitivity.
  • If you make an adjustment and start drifting without input, follow step 5 above.
  • Remember – keep your fingers light on the stick. If you find yourself “squeezing the black out of the stick”, you need to relax and possibly adjust your arm/wrist position.
  • Some joysticks (like the X-55) come with different springs. Choose the smallest one.
  • If you have a warthog, look into greasing it to alleviate sticktion issues. Another thing that can vastly improve accuracy with the warthog (and just overall feel) is an extension mod. Simpit technologies has one, as does some unnamed individual in the UK.


Now that you’ve done all this – practice! We’ve found that it takes around ten hours to get fully adjusted to a new curve or sensitivity setting. This is the time that it takes for your brain to connect a given stick deflection with a desired amount of ship rotation. Remember, ESP can mess with this muscle memory, as well. Just be aware of it and your brain will start compensating.

 


Vin’s Setup

Vin uses a Warthog in his primary (right) hand, a modified/combined 4DOF frankenthrottle in his left hand  , and MFG Crosswind (the “Hatori Hanso sword of peripherals”) pedals.

Here are the bindings for his right hand:

warthogbindings

Here are the bindings for the throttle part of his left hand:

CHpro

As for the T16000M base of the left hand, Vin binds strafe_longitudinal to the y axis and strafe_lateral to the x axis. Some of the base buttons are used for things like self-destruct, ejection, light toggles, etc.

Vin binds roll to the main axis of his pedals. His left toe brake is a dual stage push-to-talk for teamspeak, and his right toe brake also uses a script since the zoom axis doesn’t currently function correctly:

5% deflection – zooms in about 20%, puts power to full weapons

90% deflection – zooms in 100%, enables COMSTAB

 

AHK Profiles

These can probably be done with Voice Attack, but Vin prefers the customization and slightly better reliability of autohotkey scripts. Obviously, the downside is that programming knowledge is required.

Here’s what this one does:

1.  F6 is bound to Zoom in. Going past 5% of the right brake axis will result in a very small amount of zoom (about 20%). Going past 90% will result in maximum zoom.

2. F11 is bound to ESP. This is currently disabled by a semicolon.

3. F10 is bound to COMSTAB. Going past 90% of the right brake axis will turn COMSTAB on. Releasing the brake will turn it off.

4. F9 is bound to throttle zero. Strafing left and right at maximum will zero the throttle; strafing forward or backward at all will zero the throttle.

If you decide to adapt this for your own use, you’ll probably need this script to help you identify how windows is numbering your joysticks (hint: it’s not the same numbers that SC uses).

These scripts are modified versions of some that /u/McKetten posted around eight months ago, back when decoupling was required to strafe.

If you decide to use voice attack, it is imperative that you use it for things like firing 5 chaff in succession, or adjusting power/shields. VA is not fast enough for things like decoupling or popping a flare – you need the be able to press a button immediately to do these things. This isn’t VA’s fault; the simple act of saying “flare” takes too long. If you want to build on what some awesome community members have done, definitely check out Monkeh’s Anna v5.2. It’s incredible!

 

Closing

Now we want to hear from you! Did any of this help? What setup do you use, and how does it work for you? What sensitivity curves? What bindings? We’ll update as good advice comes in.

 

Other resources and references used:

Actionmap and Controller Mapping Guide by Electrocutor

Sensitivity Curves and Customization by kahzwo

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52 comments

  1. Hatelore

    Excellent post! Light curve has greatly increased my accuracy with T16000M.

  2. Godric

    Good read!

  3. Godric

    Do the profiles start loaded, or do you have to load them new each time?

    • Vin

      Good question – I’ve noticed that for whatever reason, the deadzones seem to reset a lot whenever I restart the game. My solution was to set my deadzones to zero, then export the xml. Now I just reload the that xml whenever I start the game.

  4. Alex

    Noob question:

    I’ve ordered the T16000M – due for delivery any day soon woop woop! So when I start using it, should I still use the mouse? I am keen to use strafe effectively, which I haven’t been so great at via the keyboard. Or should I still use the keyboard for strafe (something I am less keen on)? Any advice much appreciated!

    • Vin (Whitesnake)

      You could use the mouse in the right hand if that’s what your prefer with IM or relative mode, and use the T16000M in the left hand for strafing. Honestly, that’s probably way more powerful of a combination than keyboard left, T16000M right.

      At least for right now.

  5. Josh

    This may sound incredibly stupid but I have never used foot pedals before so I’m hella nooby in that aspect. What exactly are toe breaks? I’ve seen a few different gaming pedals that have the traditional two pedals, but they can also move forward and backwards.

    Is that forward and backwards movement what you use to pitch and the pedals act as the “toe breaks” ? Thanks for the reply

    • Buelle

      Bah, ignorance is fine. You dont know anything until you ask!

      When using pedals, toe brakes are the axis of the pedal itself. Not the tandem sliding action that controls Z-axis rotation usually . In flight sims they are used to break one wheel or the other allowing you to turn or stop while taxiing prior to take off.

    • Vin (Whitesnake)

      You have the pedals themselves that are linked and go back and forth, but each pedal also rotates independently – actuated by applied pressure with toes – hence “toe brakes”. So, typically pedals have three analog axes.

  6. Alex

    1.1.5 has changed quite a lot in dogfighting as strafe-only is now way less viable for me now in my 315P.

    I’d just gotten happy with your “The second option is lateral strafe on x and longitudinal strafe on y. ” and now I am trying to work out a new setup. Looking forward to any advice on that!

    • Vin (Whitesnake)

      That’s what I use now. It’s very effective, especially in the 300 series. Just make sure you keep your throttle zero’d.

      You can still use strafe effectively – it’s just that now you have to plan it ahead a bit more, and conserve your momentum in turns.

  7. Alex

    I’ve a really simple question: I want to map decoupled movement to the same controls I use for normal coupled movement. So far, I’ve mapped the couple/decouple toggle but I have no contol for decoupled movement. Do I next need to explicitly map all the decoupled controls to the axes I have bound for coupled movement and will that even work?

    Thanks so much for any advice!

    • Tyler

      @Alex

      Yes you do. There is are separate lines in the keybindings for decoupled strafe left and coupled strafe left. Both should be bound to the same keys.

    • Nimrod77

      Yes you do. The axis for decoupled and coupled movements are separate for some reason. It’s all under your keybindings in game.

  8. N3m3sys

    It will be possible for you guys to make a video for the HOTAS setup. English is not main mother tongue and I think could help a lot to improve rapidly our learning curve
    Thank you in advance

  9. Cirosmar

    Do you have any suggested profiles for a G-13? I’m planning on using one but am not sure where to start with mapping.

  10. Phobos

    Hey Vin,

    i love your instructional videos, fantastic!

    I got more than 4 devices attached to my PC (Warthog, Warthog Throttle, T16000M, Logitech g13, Xbox Controller, TrackIR). Star Citizen recognizes all of them, HOWEVER i can only modify the sensivity of 4 devices. The T16000M is the fifth device.

    How can i readout the JoyID of Windows and how can i change them? What i basically want is to put the G13 as the fifth device, because I don’t need to adjust the curve. (yes, I could plug it out, but i play to use it for the FPS part). Same goesfor the Xbox Controller, it’s great to walk slowely around your ship or create scenic videos.

    Thx for your help!

    Phobos

    • Vin (Whitesnake)

      Alright, I have this problem, and unfortunately all I can give you is a terrible work-around.

      I go into my devices control, right click any controller, go to “controller options” I think. . . you’ll see everything listed. Ok, so the top 4 are going to be what the game reads and you can adjust in-game.

      The only way to re-order them that I know of is to uninstall and reinstall drivers, which will put the newly reinstalled driver at the bottom of the list.

      This has actually gotten so routine for me that I have all the icons lined up on my desktop. Every time I restart my computer, I have to go into device manager, uninstall my vJoy driver, then reinstall it, and use the steps above to make sure it is no longer one of my first four devices.

  11. RedMenace

    Hey, Vin.

    First off, I’ve recently moved my sticks off of my desk after having bought these awesome (but pricey) mounts.

    https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/271104/project-super-strong-aluminium-hotas-joystick-table-mount/p1

    I’m flying either with dual T16000m sticks, but will occasionally switch my Warthog in as my right hand stick. Currently I have them mounted so that my hands are more or less level with my elbows. This puts the bottoms of my hands right at my belly button, so I’m good there as far as your recommendation goes for height.

    My elbows are lightly resting on my chair’s armrests. The arm rests themselves are height adjustable, so I have them where it feel like they’re offering the most support without being too high and getting in the way.

    The problem I’m having is with your recommendation of, “Support your elbow on something stable! Don’t try to move the stick with your whole arm, that’s like trying to write with your whole arm moving.”

    In order for me to pitch AND keep my forearm and wrist straight I HAVE to move my elbow and thus my arm forward/backward. I’m keeping it in contact with my armrest throughout the range of motion. This feels a lot more natural to me than it does to keep my elbow anchored and having to bend at the wrist when pitching up. When I bend at the wrist then my forefinger and thumb aren’t where they need to be.

    So I’m guessing you didn’t mean to imply that out elbows should be fully anchored all the time and that some amount of “moving the stick with your whole arm” is necessary for pitch.

    I do still find that pitching up fully is somewhat restricted by my armrest. Pitching down isn’t a problem. I know you’ve said that you’re setting your saturation pretty high which means you aren’t having to fully deflect. I might have that a try once we get that setting back. Either that or I’m going to try modifying my mounts so that they tilt forward by maybe 10 degrees.

    Here’s a video of me flying with the mounts. Let me know if you see anything I could be doing better.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIl1IGh0gLw

    Once again, thanks again for the time you and your org spend on these guides.

    Red

    • Vin (Whitesnake)

      Hey! Those mounts look awesome, I may have to add them to the guide. Let me know if there are any downsides other than price.

      You are correct that your elbow may shift a little. I figure that the biggest thing is getting the weight of your forearm off the stick, but I guess this sounds the same as “not trying to write with your whole arm moving”. . .

      Perhaps my wording is inadequate to explain what it should look like, and I should create a video. I can tell you, from yours, though, that you look pretty spot on. I honestly don’t see your elbow moving much. Your flying appears to be pretty precise in general. Anyway, yeah, the saturation (which is disabled this patch) helps quite a bit with being able to keep most of your arm stable and “fly with your fingertips”. I don’t know, maybe I just like it this way because I am used to having trim, but I just prefer to make light adjustments – especially since I leave ESP on.

      Have you tried moving your weapons group bindings to your other trigger? I can actually see you pull the trigger, see the stick move, and see your aim get messed up in your video a couple times. I know it sounds crazy, but seriously, just try it.

      Vin

  12. Heffy

    Hey Vin!

    First off, thank you (and everyone at INN) for these tutorials and videos. They are amazing! I’m so excited to dive in and learn more. I’m trying to use the custom lightcurve / heavycurve XMLs with dual T-16000m sticks, but I haven’t noticed a huge difference when applying them. I think either 1) I am too noobtastic to notice the change, or 2) It’s applying to the wrong joystick number.

    What is the best way to determine what joystick number SC is assigning in this situation? Should I just make drastic changes to the curves and see which effects my control? I used this TARGET script to bring the dual sticks into SC:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/2fr9a2/dual_t16000m_joystick_target_script/

    Thanks in advance!

    • Vin

      You are quite welcome.

      The difference is very noticeable, it’s likely something isn’t going right with your control import, as you suggested. Occasionally I have this problem as well. What you can do is go to the keybinding tab, find an analog binding (like just “pitch”), then move your stick. If no joystick is listed, it’s joystick one. Otherwise it’ll give you a number. Use that number where it says “instance” in the XML. Remember that the curves aren’t being saved properly, so you may need to reload it every time you restart the game. Let me know if you are still having trouble – we can talk through it in TS3 if needed.

      • Heffy

        Very cool, that makes sense. I’ll give it a shot tonight and hopefully get everything squared away. It’s amazing how much of a difference all these little things make, I’m already having 10 times as much fun playing AC as I was before, and I’m just working through BFM!

  13. narrow_blue (GekoPrime)

    Is it possible to activate decoupled mode while a joystick button is held down, either in the game XML or in voiceattack?

    I’m on the verge of installing autohotkey, which is a little annoying just for this. Works, just wondered if anyone has a better way of doing it.

    Shame voiceattack doesn’t provide a joystick button release event

    I can see in the XML, v_ifcs_toggle_vector_decoupling, don’t know if there’s a non-toggle alternative

  14. Goolash

    I noticed you recommend assigning W/S to forward/rear strafe. While I know this would be very convenient during docking maneuvers, what is the advantage given during dogfights? I ask because I am beginning to customize my keyboard mapping, and was planning on assigning W/S to Vertical strafe, which seemed more natural to me, with perhaps R/F or E/C mapped to forward/rear. Q/E are currently roll, which are duplicated by my joystick’s twist axis, so I planned to assign those to something more useful, or perhaps not, since I actually prefer using binary inputs during landing. Probably a holdover from KSP.

    • Vin

      I don’t see anything wrong with what you want to do. I guess I have it this way in the guide simply because that’s what most people do, especially people who have played other games and are used to W and S being forward/back. But there’s no reason you can’t be effective with your configuration. I don’t really see how having it bound to different keys would make it better for docking versus dogfighting? You need all three axes of motion to be readily available in a dogfight – lateral, vertical, and especially longitudinal, as it’s the best way to control distance.

      • Goolash

        Ok, I wasn’t sure if there was a combat maneuver in which quickly strafing forward or back as opposed to using the throttle was preferable to having all four strafe axes arranged around a center point. As for my Q/E preference, for some reason I find I make fewer attitude adjustment errors using the keyboard, or, when I do, it is rotation around only one axis at a time, and also forces me to be a bit more methodical in my approach. It also makes me look more professional from the outside (or so I think). It isn’t a big deal though. Since I am playing with a Saitek Cyborg Evo, the limits on my button options are somewhat extreme, so I suspect WASD may get reassigned completely once I have my joystick down. In the interim since I wrote this, I remembered that I can create external profiles, and use the left and right shift buttons on my base to turn my 1 POV hat/10 button stick into a 3 POV/30 button stick.

        • Goolash

          Well, darn, nevermind that idea. Seems my shift buttons only apply to the other buttons, not the hat switch, even when I program it to behave as 4 buttons.

          • Vin

            That’s too bad.

            You might be able to get that affect using other software, though.

            And there’s always autohotkey.

  15. luca

    Hi Vin,
    you are absoluteyl right!
    managing to configure and use a Joystick from scratch…….it is not easy at all.
    I bought a t16000 (i am both left and right handed)

    but apart SC, is there a simple game or application you would recommend to start practicing with the joystick?

    i would avoid destroying the Port Olisar base at my first try…….and make all the other players laugh

    thanks in advance

  16. Roo5ter

    It is mentioned that you must use a script to get the foot pedal zoom working correctly. In it’s broken state I can tell it’s a huge improvement over what I was doing. Is that script linked in here and I somehow missed it?

    • BravenTooth

      Hey Rooster.

      I’m about to find out today as I’m sick of the zoom in/out axis as it’s so buggy – the AHK script is linked above.
      I’ll shoot you a PM on the forums once I figure it out.

  17. Ceefuhs

    Is it still necessary to run “~pp_rebindkeys ***.xml” every time you start in AC or the PU for custom curves to work?

  18. Zach Blaney

    Hi there! First off thank you for your post, I’m super excited to implement all this!

    Now I was wondering if you knew of a good beginner set keybind setup for the x-55 Throttle and Stick. Would you be able to link me one?

    Thanks,

    Zach

  19. Guy Lewis

    Thanks for these great tips. I am pretty new to CS, but have been using your keyboard.xml for my KBM setup. I have purchased Voice Attack with the new Orion-Shatner voicepak. Is there anything I should do different to use these together with the keyboard.xml?

    • Vin

      While I don’t have that voice pack, I’d say you might have to change some of the VA bindings to work with the XML if you plan to continue to use it. Have you used voice attack much? Do you understand how it works?

      • Guy Lewis

        Thanks. Just starting to figure all this stuff out. Using the Anna VA pack right now. Love your modification and yes I will have to work some things out because of course VA is looking for responses that are not there in the modified keys. Will keep trying til i figure it out or completely break it. Thanks again, you guys are great.

  20. Lentil

    Comment on Toe Brakes on the CH Pro Pedals: As you note, the pedals produce a zero output at rest. I couldn’t stand getting zero benefit from those precious analog axes. In my configuration, I used the CH mapping tool to create a new virtual axis that _subtracts_ the input values of the two toe brake axes. (There’s some dead zone stuff too.) This virtual axis gets mapped to longitudinal strafe. In essence, they become gas pedal (positive longitudinal strafe) and brake/reverse pedal (negative longitudinal strafe). I’ve found that if I press them both, I can generate very fine control in landing maneuvers.

  21. Apocalyptic Weasel

    Analogue is possible on the N52TE a simple mod is available for this using a teensy 3.2 and some ardunio magic, which tells windows its just a joystick.
    Check this topic out over at Xim 4 site http://xim4.com/community/index.php?topic=48266.0

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